Whites were slaves too, but they won’t say it! « Charismaallover’s Weblog
Whites were slaves too, but they won’t say it! « Charismaallover’s Weblog
Well , this report grinds my gears. It really does! lately i have been hearing reports from the media, that black people should stop asking for reparations because white people were slaves in the west indies too. or you could be a Redleg. Redlegs were so named because of the crimson shade their skin turns in the sun.
Ah the redlegs, mostly irish but many english welsh and scots, some had been barbadoe’s which is a term coined for a custodial sentance that is to, sent them to the west indies for hard labour. Some were taken off the streets for vagrancy. some were sent away for being prostitutes and many especially the irish and scots highlanders, were send away from their homes because of the english imperial ambitions on their counries. there was also Indentured servants
Redlegs were often indentured, which means that they accepted a contract to work for a fixed term, where they were expected to work for example 4 years, they would recieve their money in installments, their spouses and children were not expected to work unless they were accepted upon their own contract. if you escaped and managed to run away or even better got onto a ship sailing elsewhere within the “british” empire you werehome free, whiteness was your badge of freedom.
Now if these people were caught aiding the black slaves, the balck slaves would be tortured and killed. the redlegs were given a hiding and then allowed to go on with their business. the case study for this in the 1600’s in barbados 20 black slaves hung and burnt at the stake , 10 irish indentured servants released, no punishment as they were “misguided”.
After your contract is complete you are free to become a land owner slaveholder or peasant farmer, if you are a white woman the possibilities are endless, white women are rare and thus your value is increase you can go from english street prostitute to lady of the plantation in no time at all. ( i may have upset a whole bunch of white west indians with money now) By virtue of their white skin they could stand in court and give evidence and they could not be punished without a trial.
Now the chances are if you had been barbadoe’d or accepted an indureship contract you knew what was going on and you knew what was likely to become of your life.If you were an igbo minding your own business and maybe going fishing and you were captured by some men and sold on over and over and had to sit in a fortress in your own excretement for months then get on a ship and lay in your excretement for months and then learn a new language and forget how to use your own and work until you die or are killed it seems an unfair comparison.
Now the media might say, you sold each other. We did not, there are many ethnic groups in africa and no person with half a pound of sense sells their own. now jsut because the people all looked black ( and there fore the same) to europeans it does not mean they were the same. No man took his wife and children to be sold, no woman sold her man to theives while he slept, no woman did away with her noisy children like that. if was capture others to be sold to avoid being sold yourself, it bred hatred and despair. you sell political disdents and prisoners of war, it was desperate. sell or be sold.
God knows what those poor people suffered and they lost absolutelt everything and they would have given their own foot to have half the rights of the indentured servants, they would have loved to have their families together, they would have loved the chance to be free after 4 or even 6 years( in the 1700’s the peak of the slave trade the life expectancy of a slave after delivery in the “new world” was 3-5years). they would have loved the chance to work for themselves even as peasant farmers.
So this White slave arguement holds no water with me. It’s rubbish
reprindle said,
March 6, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Careful you don’t lose any sprockets while you’re grinding your gears. There may be something to your objections but not much. To be a slave is to be a slave. It may be true that a white person could walk away and blend but it wasn’t quite that easy. Indentured servants were slaves and their owners controlled their destinies more often than not reneging on the deal when the time expired.
The fact of the matter is that Africans grew rich from selling their own people. On that score Cromwell was more stupid than the Africans in that he collecting nothing on the Irish he sent into slavery.
If you examine things closely you will find more inhunanity than you wanted to find. Blacks or Whites, it just doesn’t matter. When one man has power over another the odds are he will exercise his will, period. Fact of life #1. Don’t like it? Neither do I but there it is.
Just accept the past for what it was. Africans sold Africans and White people bought them. The Moslems of course didn’t pay for anything. Their motto was: I see, I take.
You’re not living in those times and no White person standing was involved in the slave trade. Dig it!
lifeisannoying said,
March 7, 2008 at 9:50 am
While i support your right to say whatever you please, i have a ba degree and i know and have the letters to support my theory, after 1600’s in africa it was become a seller to avoid being sold, even the biggest group of african sellers did not come into existance until 1700.
Anyhoo, my main gripe was people being dismssive of black people in this period. Wehave had apologies from the british to the irish for their dispicable behaviour from their conquest past the pale to their behaviour in the potatoe famine, we have seen that the americans apoligise for the internment of japanese american folk, the german people apologise for the holocaust.
The money from the slave trade started my bank and barclays bank and the now defunct barings banks , it’s a horrible thought. the money invested started the national gallery and so mant of the beautiful stately homes and the money garnered from the trade has been passed though generation to generation and my family has been passed nothing.
You know what next week i am going going to post on this.
reprindle said,
March 7, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Charis:
I’m sure that in general what you say has a foundation in fact. Remember that Edward Gibbons said that history is a record of the crimes and follies of mankind. Blacks are part of mankind. If you examine African history you will find that Africans have committed more than their full share of crimes and follies.
Even a cursory examination of chiefs like Shaka and Mtese will convince any but the most the most obtuse that their history also is a history of crimes and follies.
Do Blacks have more to complain about than any other people of earth. I really don’t think so.
Post what you want. No one’s opinion is going to hurt anybody. I support your right to say whatever you please also. I am not afraid of criticism and I hope you aren’t either.
lifeisannoying said,
March 10, 2008 at 11:15 pm
of course i am not afraid of critism. i did not say that african hands were free of the taint of mankinds ill though, i was just trying to adjust a few ill concieved ideas that many people of all hues have.
reprindle said,
March 12, 2008 at 2:28 am
Sure, I can understand that.